In the lower-for-longer monetary policy dominated world, how should investors approach investing in fixed income? Should it be from a top-down or bottom-up perspective?


28 Apr 2017
In the lower-for-longer monetary policy dominated world, how should investors approach investing in fixed income? Should it be from a top-down or bottom-up perspective?
In the lower-for-longer monetary policy dominated world, how should investors approach investing in fixed income? Should it be from a top-down or bottom-up perspective?
In the lower-for-longer monetary policy dominated world, how should investors approach investing in fixed income? Should it be from a top-down or bottom-up perspective?
28 Apr 2017
28 Apr 2017
19 Apr 2016
In conversation with: Jonathan Platt, Sebastian Cheek, Pete Drewienkiewicz, Mark Cernicky, Ben Shaw, Joe Abrams, David Greene and Christine Farquhar
In conversation with: Jonathan Platt, Sebastian Cheek, Pete Drewienkiewicz, Mark Cernicky, Ben Shaw, Joe Abrams, David Greene and Christine Farquhar
In conversation with: Jonathan Platt, Sebastian Cheek, Pete Drewienkiewicz, Mark Cernicky, Ben Shaw, Joe Abrams, David Greene and Christine Farquhar
Ben Shaw: Given the likely rise in interest rates and where yields are, what you want to try to be doing is moving away from the traditional market, to where you can get debt opportunities as an off-market, at fixed yields, that are very attractive. That’s available from unusual financing, such as peer-to-peer lending. We’re getting easily double-digit returns for institutional investors taking first and second charge on property and other slightly more unusual assets, such as cars and aircraft. If you choose the right alternatives- you’re going to get the best risk-return in this kind of market.
Jonathan Platt: The outlook for fixed income markets really depends on your macro view; given my relatively upbeat macroeconomic views, I don’t think the outlook is good. However, it could be argued that we’re in, in effect, the end of the recovery period which started in 2009. The worry is that the central bank has basically used up a lot of ammunition, and this is the late part of the cycle. A more deflationary view of the world would support fixed income markets.
Pete Drewienkiewicz: It depends how late-cycle you think we are. If we are in the twilight of the credit cycle, we might muddle through for another couple of years. Then it’s possible to create quite a positive story for quite a wide range of fixed incomes. But if we are about to lurch back into recession, that’s a different story.
David Greene: To me, the risks are asymmetric. Even if you get an unfavourable – or deflationary – backdrop, the kind of potential returns you’re going to get from your traditional fixed income classes are going to be limited. General fixed income might make 2% to 4%, but there’s the potential you could lose 3% to 5% if interest rates do rise. In that environment, you want to be a little bit duration agnostic, if you can. You don’t want to be betting too much on that style of management. Moving away from benchmark-constrained management towards absolute return, or multi-credit type or even alternative type investments is a good step.
Joe Abrams: It very much depends on what the client is trying to achieve. We’d advocate looking at efficient ways of allocating to different betas and alpha where it suits an objective. You might consider that there are some opportunities to come given the current market environment – perhaps local currency emerging market debt, or some parts of the sub-investment grade credit market – and you might want to keep some powder dry for a beta allocation.
But you should only really look to do so if you’re a long-term investor. Trying to time markets over the shorter to medium-term horizon is harder to do. For keeping powder dry in the shorter term you could look at an absolute return type approach which has a lower correlation to market returns.
Christine Farquhar: We’re seeing clients looking at alternatives, not so much alternatives to traditional fixed income, but as some diversification from equities. So, less liquid, direct lending, lock-up strategies. People are more open-minded, but they’re not thinking about these strategies in the fixed income space.
Shaw: If you’re in fixed income in the traditional classes over the long term, you will be lucky to get 3% to 5%. If you’re going to get 5% you have to take a bit of risk. Will 3% really achieve your objective of technical provisions? Probably not, and that’s why we’re seeing people looking at putting an allocation they can still call fixed income into what other people might call an alternative
asset class.
Farquhar: Do they accept that what they’re really capturing is the illiquidity premium? Is that well understood?
Shaw: Well, it’s not that illiquid, because we operate a secondary market.
Mark Cernicky: If high yield bonds are illiquid, indirect lending is going to be less liquid.
Shaw: I think it depends on your type of institutional investor. A pension scheme is looking to wait out to maturity. If you’re locked in for six months or three years, it’s not really relevant to your 20 or 30-year time horizon. If you’re a fixed income fund, and mark to market every day, and get a lot of redemptions, it’s a different matter.
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